Curse

Daesu · Jul 17, 2012, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

its not like people who already got em will return anyways

its still not bad giving em all

and i said i wont even get them all, and have the time since i dont buy GW2 at all

now i still havent seen 1 good reason not to give all in 1 event

i also doubt people will return once they have a whole new game to explore
some will, but most others most likely wont
and who knows, maybe you say now "i'll be back for masks/hats" and once playing GW2 you could say "screw it, i'm busy with a new, more populated and way more balanced game (or something like this)"

but if people dont get em due to them being busy in GW2, and wanna return later, they still gotta wait every year... just to get some masks/hats which are nothing but cosmetic stuff, and not that much if comparing to costumes

so let the next tokens being tradeable or char-based, instead of account
or let everyone get as many masks/hats as they want

also, i doubt anyone keeps playing GW only cuz they gotta wait a year for the next mask to come..... not much profit or something, they most likely go play other games, inccluding GW2

maybe if they give all hats at once, people may like anet some more, and be happy, making em maybe even buy some more stuff, who knows?

The purpose of the hats has always been to get people to come down and join in the festivities. If you give all the hats at once, people would not bother to take part in each of the festivities in order to earn those hats. This has always been a GW1 feature and has nothing to do with GW2 so don't bring up confusion.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jul 17, 2012, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by Daesu

The purpose of the hats has always been to get people to come down and join in the festivities. If you give all the hats at once, people would not bother to take part in each of the festivities in order to earn those hats. This has always been a GW1 feature and has nothing to do with GW2 so don't bring up confusion.

GW2 has something to do with GW's future

and as i see it now, new hats didnt come, so why not give more to people at once?

i doubt that people will be there just for the hats... and if thats the only reason, then events dont mean anything to those people

then if people like to celebrate events even without masks/hats, they will do so even if anet gives them all other hats

then the hats wont be effective anymore, as alot of people either dont care, have them already, or are playing GW2

the reason i give GW2 as example, is cuz most people from the GW community, go there
so how can i NOT include GW2 in GW's future?

Andemius · Jul 17, 2012, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Nakednfamous

you cant afk because there is always updates that log me off so i cant afk for weeks sorry, and theyre true believe them or not dont care some people have other places to be instead of sittin waitin for a hat im sure ill miss next wintersday also cause im never in canada at the time

Well how unfortunate for you. If you're generally bothered about a hat ask a friend/family to log you in for the finale, and you can afk it then.

And if you were truly doing your humanitarian stuff, why on earth are you bothered about a hat? Surely you have more pressing things to worry about.

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now i still havent seen 1 good reason not to give all in 1 event

@Ayuhmii I'm yet to see a reason to give the hats out. If anything Anet has already taken a step towards letting you have missed hats with the token, why get greedy?

As akelarumi said, why should you have an event souvenir when you weren't there?

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jul 17, 2012, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Andemius

@Ayuhmii I'm yet to see a reason to give the hats out. If anything Anet has already taken a step towards letting you have missed hats with the token, why get greedy?

to make people happy would be short answer, and getting greedy isnt what i meant, more like before GW2 comes out, people also want masks, so giving them right away at the events would be nicer, so they dont need to log in GW next times anymore

As akelarumi said, why should you have an event souvenir when you weren't there?

cuz everyone who plays GW have bought it... or should have, and they deserve it too

really, all i say is that i think all other people deserve the masks/hats before GW2 takes away those people
and its an excuse to say "they should be there" everytime again, while people in GW (and who will join GW2) are doing the last few things now, and need to enjoy the last days/weeks/months/whatever enough (imo), so giving them the masks right away, would make them happier AKA feel better, which determines the future of GW2

and as i said several times before:
- masks/hats are just for showing up
- they only make people happy if they give all masks at once, it cant be that some people get angry or annoyed if we get em all even tomorrow or something.... unless they think others dont deserve what they got, which i call "greedy"

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why get greedy?

i also said that i dont mind, as i wont be leaving GW and wont be joining GW2, so i can wait, but others would like to have some more maybe for later when they take a break from GW2 (be it either 1 year after they started playing GW2 or 7 years after that)

plz dont call ME greedy while i dont mind waiting, i was thinking about those who actually wont be playing GW as much after GW2 releases.. and those who will quit GW (prolly for a while, or long time) after a while, that way they at least got some more nice stuff

people most likely wont quit forever, and having all masks/hats while coming back would be nice, and a better way for anet to say: you like it, you can get it now

if i had a sig here, i'd put this in my sig... but remember this:

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i dont mind waiting

plz dont make me repeat it over and over again... just read it well

Andemius · Jul 17, 2012, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Okay, that was a messy post...

The bottom line is: If you wanted the Hat, you should have made the effort and got yourself to the event.

The people who made the effort to get there (and to all intents and purposes could AFK the whole time) are the people who DESERVE the hat.

If you did not attend you have no claim to deserve it. What you are saying is akin to me saying I deserve 100 Wintergreen spears because I bought GW.

The people who are quitting GW when GW2 is released have no need of hats.

As for "making people happy". Seriously? Anet has already allowed the Tengu Mask and Dragon Mask to become available to anyone, even if they were not there for the start of factions.

I've never seen a more apt example of "giving an inch and taking a mile".

And before you ask me to read your posts carefully I'd ask they be less rambling and all more readable.

Daesu · Jul 17, 2012, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

the reason i give GW2 as example, is cuz most people from the GW community, go there
so how can i NOT include GW2 in GW's future?

Are you certain that EVERY SINGLE GW1 player will definitely be in GW2? I don't know why you keep assuming that everyone would be playing GW2 and because of that GW1 should just die and all hats be given out at once.

I am for extending the life of GW1 as much as possible so the corresponding hats should only be given based on involvement in each festivity.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jul 17, 2012, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Are you certain that EVERY SINGLE GW1 player will definitely be in GW2? I don't know why you keep assuming that everyone would be playing GW2 and because of that GW1 should just die and all hats be given out at once.

I am for extending the life of GW1 as much as possible so the corresponding hats should only be given based on involvement in each festivity.

read the quote you sent again, and you'll see i didnt say all

plz read first

and ok, make it "to make people in GW happier" instead of just "happy"

Daesu · Jul 17, 2012, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

read the quote you sent again, and you'll see i didnt say all

plz read first

and ok, make it "to make people in GW happier" instead of just "happy"

Except the reason why the majority of us do not agree with your suggestion is because we are NOT happy with it.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jul 18, 2012, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Except the reason why the majority of us do not agree with your suggestion is because we are NOT happy with it.

then let someone finally explain whats really wrong with it
how could this harm the game and its community?

i mean, nothing would be wrong if they had only 1 same mask every year from the start of GW, so a lil extra wont hurt

its not like all skills getting stronger, or enemies become weaker with hats on

i dont get it, i said i dont mind waiting myself, and just want others to be happy, so how come that i dont mind seeing people becoming happier, and the majority of these forums do? (i dont count ingame, cuz we dont know even half of the people there, but i bet most wouldnt mind or become happier)

oh yea, i'm now asking why people are unhappy with this idea... plz gimme 1 reason

Winner · Jul 18, 2012, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Well, after giving tengu hat on last event I think it's ok for them to give away all the hats for free. I don't approve but then again I don't care that much. Those people are using to get everything with zero effort so they'll get this as well, it's their decision.

Andemius · Jul 18, 2012, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

oh yea, i'm now asking why people are unhappy with this idea... plz gimme 1 reason

Long story short, because you want something for nothing.

The people who currently have said hats, made the effort to attend the event/collect the tokens - and it's not hard to do so. You can get the early hats, if you weren't playing at the time of release, by attending the festivals. Ownership of the earlier hats is a perk given to people who played then.

Have another example: HoM rewards are all asthetics, like the hats. Asking for all the hats is like asking for the HoM reward skins. Make the effort if you want them.

Daesu · Jul 18, 2012, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

then let someone finally explain whats really wrong with it
how could this harm the game and its community?

I wish you would have tried reading our posts.

Why is giving everyone 50/50 HoM points, GWAMM, stacks of ectos, for free, instantly, upon character creation is bad? You tell us.

It doesn't matter if the hats are merely cosmetic because most of the rewards in this game are merely cosmetic anyway. You think your Voltaic spear does more damage than my regular spear? Geez...why don't we just give everyone a voltaic spear (or insert your favorite rare skin <here>) since it is only cosmetic anyway.

Hanok Odbrook · Jul 19, 2012, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Daesu

The purpose of the hats has always been to get people to come down and join in the festivities. If you give all the hats at once, people would not bother to take part in each of the festivities in order to earn those hats. This has always been a GW1 feature and has nothing to do with GW2 so don't bring up confusion.

Actually, I have to correct you there. The *original* purpose of the hats was as a nice surprise to the players who were present at the finale of the events. As time went on, some players saw it as a reason to attend an event. However, Anet and the majority of the players I spent time with never changed that. We did (and still do) attend events for the fun and camaraderie - the hats are still a nice bonus, but not the primary reason why we are there.

Hanok